There is a fair amount of information and disinformation out there at present. Matt Forney is out there claiming that SSM is a work of fiction, a made up person — after confessing a month ago that he made up a site with a submissive woman. He’s also doxxed Danny from 504, and proclaims the manosphere dead.
One does not know. There are a few people I’ve communicated with for a few years — but never seen a picture of them, nor do I really want to. I’m interested in their words, and often the comments box, where the insights tend to be pithier.
- The internet is a bit like the picture this morning — it looks beautiful, but it is wetlands, a swamp in Dunedin: that is some very cold mud.
Anyway, to today’s text It describes the endgame of a civilisation, what happens when your nation becomes a byword, a proverb, a joke. And in this time, the text is eerily accurate.
17Zion stretches out her hands, but there is no one to comfort her; the LORD has commanded against Jacob that his neighbors should become his foes; Jerusalem has become a filthy thing among them.
18The LORD is in the right, for I have rebelled against his word; but hear, all you peoples, and behold my suffering; my young women and young men have gone into captivity.
19I called to my lovers but they deceived me; my priests and elders perished in the city while seeking food to revive their strength.
20See, O LORD, how distressed I am; my stomach churns, my heart is wrung within me, because I have been very rebellious. In the street the sword bereaves; in the house it is like death.
21They heard how I was groaning, with no one to comfort me. All my enemies heard of my trouble; they are glad that you have done it. Bring on the day you have announced, and let them be as I am.
22Let all their evil doing come before you; and deal with them as you have dealt with me because of all my transgressions; for my groans are many and my heart is faint.
- The LORD is in the right, for I have rebelled against his word. It is now two generations since the Church had a revival, which masked the turning of the elite away from God. People such as Francis Schaeffer and Billy Graham were unwelcome: the Papists were a little more acceptable provided they stayed in their church ghettos. God will not be mocked.
- I called to my lovers but they deceived me. This is what it looks like in the trenches of the dating battle for many women. The men they can find in the bar or dating site are there to use them: either their bodies or their money. They are expected to put out… and with each time that bond of intimacy is broken, something within one’s heart is lost. Women become mistrustful, and then proceed to poison the well for their younger sisters.
- See, O LORD, how distressed I am; my stomach churns, my heart is wrung within me, because I have been very rebellious. People are increasingly unhappy, and increasingly fragile. They have not learned about disappointment and resilience when young: for when they were young they were never challenged, never tested, and never learned that defeat is but a phase, and endurance and steadfastness wins in the end. The consequence of this is that they go for an easy fix — to the point that even a placebo will make them feel better.
Truth is not fashionable, and Matt, there never really was a manosphere, but instead a bunch of people who still remain captured by truth and beauty, and not by what people say is true and beautiful. Who think Ms Monroe is more beautiful than Ms Jolie, and both are far more attractive than Ms Cyrus. And who prefer to give wise advice than pretty lies.
If the straw man that is the manosphere dies, it is immaterial. It is but a metaphor. Truth remains, and ignoring truth will lead to despair if you are lucky.
…but eventually a woman will start looking around for a provider (unless she voted Obama, in which case she can depend on ALL men to support her through the wonders of taxation). Babies are time sucking assholes who need their mamas fulltime for YEARS, and in order for a woman to do a good job raising her offspring (and no, hiring an illegal immigrant to raise your child is NOT doing a good job), she needs a man.
Dependable, reliable, loyal, strong. A man. The kind of man women’s studies majors HATE. #sorryfeminists.
We can say it ain’t true. We can set up false fronts and feed disinformation. We can delve into the past of those who write truth and disqualify them. But if we don’t follow truth and realize that we are not that different from the prophet weeping in a ruined city, we will, like him, experience the endgame of a civilization in our lifetime. It’s revival or destruction, and a binary choice at that.
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Update.
SSM is taking her blog down. And both She and Will corrected me that the issue was around accusations made around children, not her gender. But someone got at her kid’s social media pages, and she is closing her blog.
Where does Matt Forney claim SSM is a ‘bloke’? He says no such thing in his post.
You are right. I skim read Matt’s piece — when he doxxes someone he moves into a quasi leftist hysterical mode of speech which makes me think of doubleplusungood and makes my eyes glaze over. I’ve also had an email from SSM, who is closing her blog, and have linked to her post why.
Yeah, I saw that.
Did you read carefully Matt’s doxxing?
You should; it’s most informative.
Tell me Chris, if someone says his / her spouse is a doctor but in fact is a nurse, is that individual not a liar?
I don’t buy that the need for privacy requires actual dissembling, as opposed to not being specific (e.g. one could say ‘works in the medical field’).
Will, everything above the part where she went after Lena’s family is sourced from leftist, feminist Atheists at GOMI. She has said her husband is a nurse. She has said that she was a bitch. That is not news. She did not lie. They made assumptions from skimming her writings and then doxxed her and found these out.
However, with that said, the fact that a Christian would go after someone’s family in such a foul manner is all that needs to be said. Matt could have expanded more on that, because some of it is unclear or vague, and it would have been enough. I was not aware of it and would like to know more.
You do not go after family. That is sacred. When she did that, she opened herself to attack, and she will deserve it all. She must be driven out, for all our sakes. She can repent and pray for forgiveness somewhere else.
The Shadowed Knight
Agreed, Knight.
Actually, having looked more into it, I find that the claims that SSM went after Lena have less merit than I thought. SSM posted that on a totally different blog, and she claims that it was edited afterwards by the blog owner to read as it does. Seeing as Matt Forney’s sources are terrible, and he does the same sort of thing to trolls, he might have been a little more nonchalant about taking it as truth than he should have been. Which hurts his credibility.
The fact that Lena went after children is also reprehensible. Spreading around the social media page of a young girl is a bit much. You have a problem with a woman, keep it on that woman. Do not drag others into it. For shame.
The more I read, the less I know. I cannot verify the competing claims, and everyone seems to be hiding something. What it is that is being hidden and who is in the right, I do not know. All that has come out of this is a lot of confusion and discord, so I will let you all have at it.
The Shadowed Knight
I’m where you are TSK. I cannot find concrete evidence of Lena’s accusations, only that of her own retaliatory behavior. The whole thing is riddled with demons and gossip, and has become boring. I’m surprised, frankly, that Matt F wasn’t more thorough before diving in to such a thing, considering his complete take down of still another blogger in the same post seemed to at least be based on IRL experience.
And I would gladly consider legitimate evidence if someone could point me to it. No one has, as of yet.
Wait did Lena S. really involve SSM’s children in this? Could you show me the proof? If what you said was true then Lena S also needs to repent.
Usually I do not believe a claim unless it is backed up by evidence. Its the unfortunate smoke and mirrors that make this unclear.
There will be no proof unless someone is going to get the IP trace through Google minus and Facesplat and Children’s Aid in whatever province Lena lives in. See the administrivia post. I will add that anonymous complaints, and venomous destruction of people, is more common than one would think, and quite wrong. See Matt Forney on the tactics of Rabbits: his classification is accurate.
Sunshine Mary to my knowledge has not said that her husband was a doctor. I was under the impression that he was indeed a nurse, from things she said on her blog. (mentioned something about too many bedpans for example..)
I haven’t read her blog for a while, now.
I think it was unwise of Matt Forney to use unsubstantiated information that was sent to him and others about SSM from a woman with malicious intent. Vile language and libellous allegations from this woman who purports to be a Christian, says more about her own character, than anything else.
She is also in an adulterous relationship, (and has made no secret of this) so has no business publicly casting aspersions on another woman’s character, when her own house is in such disarray.
Aside from that, Adultery is in fact a serious mortal sin. Lying is not in the same ballpark.
The best course of action, is to ignore this woman’s nasty, slanderous words. She has no credibility, certainly not as far as Christians are concerned.
Unsubstantiated claims you make.
Oh poor Sunshine. 🙁
I am not going to post SSM’s comments, as they include what Lena S emailed and I think that this is best left alone. As far as verifying things: guys I live in NZ . Being anything approaching orthodox or neo-traditional is unusual here — as was pointed out to me today.
The internet is very, very good at witch hunts.
So… I do not know what HHG (SSM’s husband) does apart from Ski-ing. I don’t know what schools they go to, or have confirmed that she is a speech therapist. Or if she has informed on kids (which is what Lena S said she did) or not (SSM denies it).
What I do know is that she produced a highish quality blog for around a year. Which, despite its flaws (and all blogs have them) was generally on the money — and if the post (OP) was not on the money the combox corrected it fairly quickly.
We do need to be aware that those of us with school age kids are vulnerable to Social Welfare just deciding we are unfit. I have seen the consequences all too frequently in my work. It’s ugly, and the accusations go off the scale almost immediately.
So let’s hope that Lena’s kids are safe, SSM’s kids are safe, and we need to pray for both of them, both their men (7man and HHG, I think)
And we better also pray for Matt Forney, who is in full leftist despair about now, damning us all as if we are Trotskyites.
Thanks Will for helping me get the handles sorted out.
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Yes to the praying.
Lena, first warning. Keep it on topic, and not personal, or your IP will be blacklisted. (And you are not the topic. The destruction of a community is the topic, or the end stage of our civilisation).
If Kathy emails me and wants me to take this down, I will: I generally do not post other people’s emails.
Although Kathy didn’t name me above, it was clear that her comment related to me since that was what the post was about (ssm and my alleged email). Then Kathy wrote in public about some fictitious woman (or maybe it was me); I merely posted her email, since I thought it was pertinent. (Really, do you think she was actually referring to me in her previous comment?)
I acknowledge I have been given the first warning. How many warnings do I get before I am banned?
Lena, to elaborate, you get exactly one warning. One. Then you get banned.
Think yellow and red cards.
It was wrong of Lena to post a private email, on your blog, Chris. She did it on Will’s Blog as well. You can leave it there if you wish. I stand by what I said (in a private email) but will not be drawn into a catfight. This is your blog and I have a great deal of respect for you as a fellow Christian, so will not comment on the matter any further.
Most of this information was known to me several months ago (my girlfriend found all of this out through a few Google searches — it’s not like Sunshine was hiding or anything).
I do not understand why someone would make this even more public than it already is, but I suspect that the motivations for doing so are pretty dark. I suspect that this eventually happens to people who piss others off on the internet, unfortunately, but it’s still dark.
What happened is exactly what I expect to happen once you let more than a few women participate. Catfighting, namecalling, exploiting husbands to white-knight, scorched-earth attempts (like doxxing), and worst of all, trying to force men who have no beef with one another to pick sides.
“I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.”
“But I do not permit a woman to speak in church.”
Good advice 2,000 years ago, and good advice now.