There is a very long thread at Dalrocks — which, a bit like the old Traditional Christianity threads, has been derailed about three times. The nature of this at times has led to a couple of commentators asking if there is still a space where men can have conversations without it becoming feminized — as has happened in SciFi and fantasy, where squicky vampires are destroying the genre.
But David Collard managed to make an excellent point. To which I commented
David C. said.
How do men civilise women? By providing the protective services in society and laws. By providing their material needs: clothes, cosmetics, food, drugs. By providing strong religious leadership. By rewarding good female behaviour with marriage and a family.
Agree.
Now, the issue is in part that the USA has been rich When you are rich, you can afford to be stupid. For a bit. If you are stupid for too long, of course, you become poor.
Instead of paying down their debt and getting their house in order… the US has allowed women to live without consequence, increasing the welfare state. Racking up debt. Destroying the moral and emotional structure of their society.
If you go too far down that path you find yourself bankrupt, without any courage, brains or ability to get out of trouble, leaning on an effete state… and tbe barbarians will come and take what was yours.
In the antipodes, the feminist tide turned when Helen left and Gillard stole the premiership. Political incorrectness, also known as truth, is again spoken. (It was not, under. Helen. or. Julia. Control freaks, both of them).. At least on the poorer side of Tasman (NZ) we cannot afford to be stupid and piss our remaining wealth away. The Greens, identity politics, and all the other efflorescence of progressive politics are frills. Un needed. And if this society is going to survive, they will have to go,
There is a reason that the patriarchal system — so called — came with the agricultural revolution. It allowed for a division of labour that meant children could be raised well in a time when growing food was hard and brutal physical work. It adds advantage to children of such relationships — what used to be called marriages — and it had resiliency that allowed societies to lose battles and win wars. Societies as removed as the early Roman Republic, the Chinese, most Indian societies, and the Germanic tribes (let alone the Israelites) used this method to survive and thrive.
But the boomer generation received the best education and upbringing that 500 years of modernism could provide, and pissed it away. Their younger siblings — Generations X and Y — can no longer support them and their project.
So it is likely to change. We can choose this, or it will be thrust upon us.