Trials and tribulations.

by pukeko

Today’s reading follows on from a discussion that Hearthie and others had yesterday.

When I look around me, I tend to say, “Come swiftly, Lord Jesus!” and then when I look at the individuals whose salvation I am urgently praying for (the list gets longer every day) I say, “But not until ….”

I am glad I am not in charge. Which is, I suppose, why my most tearful prayers always end with the words, “Thy will be done”.

Are you among those whose theology includes the pre-Trib eschatology, and if so, what do you think is the position of the unsaved during the Trib?

My comment then is that I did not know. I still don’t know. All I know is that trials will come, and trials will continue, but that the LORD will save all those that are his.

Daniel 12:1-4, 13

1“At that time Michael, the great prince, the protector of your people, shall arise. There shall be a time of anguish, such as has never occurred since nations first came into existence. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone who is found written in the book. 2Many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3Those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the sky, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever.4But you, Daniel, keep the words secret and the book sealed until the time of the end. Many shall be running back and forth, and evil shall increase.”

13“But you, go your way, and rest; you shall rise for your reward at the end of the days

Now we could deviate into angelology, but the study of that is beyond my understanding. I see that we will be different from the world around us, and that we will therefore both lead many to Christ and cause much anger and opposition. I do not think we need to be in a time of tribulation for that to occur: it is happening today.


  • Hearthrose

    Is this a good time to discuss the whys and wherefores of pre-Trib eschatology? /grin My church teaches heavily on it and I’ve studied it extensively.

    My second question, was if you believed in the Great Tribulation, do you believe that the unsaved that have been exposed to the gospel will be savable, or do you think they are permanently damned when the first trumpet sounds? (I worry about this. The TC girls have to put up with my whinging about evangelism all the time).

    I think about this because I think, if my friends won’t believe me, maybe they’ll believe when a plague kills millions across the globe. Or when the Temple is rebuilt and then desecrated. I don’t *think* I’ll be around to see the Trib, although I’m not too stressed out about it. If I am, okay, up the witnessing on the assumption that I’m going to get martyred in short order.

    Small t tribulations, yes – I agree. We will always have those.

    • http://blog.pukeko.net.nz pukeko

      I grew up being taught dispensationalist theology: TULIP, Pre trib, Infant Baptism, and Presbyterian rule. I can see how people came to those conclusions. However, this is not taught overtly in my church. (Any of it). To my knowledge, Calvin followed the Roman teaching here and interpreted Revelatins historically, but with great caution.

      I respect the work of Ravi Zachariah here. But he himself would say that he may have it completely wrong. Calvin got the great caution bit right.

  • Pode

    An errant bus driver (among legions of other things) will end my personal witnessing just as completely as the end of the world will. I don’t know when either end will come, the world’s or mine. Fortunately God hasn’t asked me to figure either of those things out, so I can focus on doing what He *has* asked of me instead.

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