• ukfred

    In a similar vein to something on another blog, if and since “all Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness” then perhaps it is a need to apply Romans 12:2, “Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is–his good, pleasing and perfect will.” that is missing from the lives of those going down this path.

    If your church gets involved with arguments about the sinfulness or otherwise of homoerotic behaviour, there are a couple of good articles by Prof. Robert Gagnon on “Theology Matters” and he has written a book on the subject, “The Bible and Homosexuality ~ Text and Hemeneutics”

    • http://pukeko.net.nz/blog chrisgale

      My church has clear standards re affirmed in the last general assembly. A minister shall be celibate or in a loving and faithful marriage. If single, celibate. Living together is not on: sex outside marriage is not on.

      However, the liberals ignore this. They claim to belong to the kirk, but teach against kirk doctrine, and live with their partners.

      And those churches attract those like them.

      • ukfred

        The reason for listing the information was that I have been in a church which had been sound in its teaching, but its senior minister decided that this was the way to go and we had numerous church meetings in which the matter was discussed. It helps to know in advance the arguments and the counter arguments before the debates start. What happens in your church if someone changes their view during their appointment. Not all would be honest enough to come to the church to say, “You appointed me when I believed X but now I believe Y, I know this matter is important for you. Do wish me to stay or do you wish me to resign”.

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  • http://pukeko.net.nz/blog chrisgale

    UKFred: I am aware of the problems of hermeutics. I do not see that as the issue most of the time because I take a fairly orthodox stand (as do you).

    The problem is not our understanding of scripture. It is our active disobedience to it. For political reasons or others.

    Such as cowardice among the elders.

  • http://pukeko.net.nz/blog chrisgale

    Oh, and I have either those books or similar. I lost half my library when I divorced, and have not got everything back — it takes a while to restore a 20 year book collection.