In this life you end up with odd allies. Sometimes you are forced to work with those who are your ideological enemies. those who oppose the gospel to their last breath. They are more often Muslim than Satanists, but when they do good we should accept that. But such are no different from us. They are totally depraved, and heading for the same fate as their Master. Total destruction.

For Satan is the Lord of Lies. He will create sins where none exists: he will make movements that look good and cause great damage. The war on poverty was one of his better creations: it began by destroying the Black Family and the associated civil rights movement has almost destroyed all mainline churches, Catholic included.

Miss Vegas was surprised at the level of support the campaign had received, given the community perceived the organisation as being the opposite of Christian organisations. She hoped the campaign would help change people’s views of Satanic New Zealand.

”We’re not in any way anti-Christian; we’re just pro-Satan,” she said.”I understand and appreciate some people do feel we are anti-Christian, but if people looked up what we do and what we actually stand for, they would have a much better understanding.”The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word, she said.”I hope people can look past the name of our group and judge us based on our actions.”

Surprisingly, the campaign is also getting support from some churches. The Rev Frank Ritchie, of the Wesleyan Methodist Church, in Auckland, said he supported the campaign as a way of promoting public discussion. He said Satanists often had ”humanistic” views, and he urged people to be open-minded.

Family First director Bob McCoskrie was scathing of the idea. He said it was no different from a good cause promoted by gangs.All clothes collected would be donated to KidsCan, Women’s Refuge and homeless shelters.

The case example of convergence in NZ is the Methodists. I have to watch myself here: I’d rather hang with the Anglicans, who will discuss and accept the Evangelicals, than the liberal Methodists, who took Arminism and turned it into a social gospel, then left the gospel behind. For the gospel is not about our good feelings or seeking virtue or accepting our fallen sexuality. It is about holiness, power, faithfulnes and righteousness. Things that none of us can attain, but in Christ.

1 John 2:12-17

I am writing to you, little children, because your sins are forgiven on account of his name. I am writing to you, fathers, because you know him who is from the beginning. I am writing to you, young people, because you have conquered the evil one. I write to you, children, because you know the Father. I write to you, fathers, because you know him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young people, because you are strong and the word of God abides in you, and you have overcome the evil one.
Do not love the world or the things in the world. The love of the Father is not in those who love the world; for all that is in the world– the desire of the flesh, the desire of the eyes, the pride in riches– comes not from the Father but from the world. And the world and its desire are passing away, but those who do the will of God live forever.

The LGTBQ are like Barium. As Barium is given as an enema to find cancers, so the tactics of teh gayz show how a church will break and fall into the broad groupthink of this or any other generation. For the US Methodists were faithful. Their book of order is Orthodox enough. Their theology — emphasising free will and the need for social action — meant that, along with the Baptists, it fitted well into the Victorian expansion of the United States, and I would have no issue with what is written in their book of Order.

But it has been subverted, twisted, converged. They now not merely have women priests, but Lesbian ones. Because it felt right.

The 12.8 million-member church, the third-largest in the U.S., was already in turmoil over same-sex relationships when Oliveto was elected. Methodists approved language in 1972 calling same-gender relationships “incompatible with Christian teaching.” The top church policy-making body, or General Conference, has upheld that policy ever since, even as LGBT rights gained acceptance and other mainline Protestants, including the Episcopal Church and the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), approved same-sex marriage. In recent years, the Methodists have seen their greatest growth overseas, especially in Africa, among more theologically conservative people, who have been standing with U.S. evangelical Methodists against recognizing same-gender relationships.

Deeply frustrated, Methodist LGBT advocates have stepped up pressure for new policies, holding same-sex weddings in defiance of church prohibitions and coming out as gay and lesbian from the pulpit. Conservatives responded by intensifying demands for church discipline over such actions. In one high-profile case, the Rev. Frank Schaefer was tried by a church court and defrocked for presiding at the wedding of his son to another man. Schaefer was later reinstated as a minister on an appeal of the ruling.

These divisions erupted dramatically last year at a meeting of the General Conference, which was rife with talk of a possible schism. At one point, LGBT advocates on the perimeter of a session lay on the floor with rainbow-colored duct tape over their mouths. In a narrow 428-405 vote, the conference delayed consideration of LGBT-related proposals and instead created a panel, called the Commission on a Way Forward, to review all church policy on human sexuality, aiming to find a way to keep the church together.

Renfroe said he was more focused on the outcome of the commission’s work than the Oliveto hearing, although he said her election has made it harder to persuade conservative congregations to stay with the denomination while the commission conducts its review. Two large Mississippi congregations recently voted to move toward a split from the church.

In making a ruling, the high court will consider technical aspects of church law, contained in the Methodist Book of Discipline, said William Lawrence, a professor at the Perkins School of Theology at Southern Methodist University and a former member of the Judicial Council. Potential outcomes range from a technical decision on procedure alone that keeps Oliveto in place to a decision that would void her election, Lawrence said. “There is an extraordinary range,” Lawrence said.

Ahead of the hearing, Oliveto released a video message to her church region in which she expressed some anxiety. “I find myself holding my breath in this time of uncertainty,” she said. But she said she felt assured that “God is working God’s purpose out.”

“I love being your bishop,” she said, then asked Methodists to pray.

The same tactics have been used by Kiwi Presbyterian converged and heretical ministers. When the General Assembly confirmed that Marriage was between one man and one woman, churches dissented. The liberals have generally moved into the very rich suburbs, and their converged congregations are the minority. The solution we reached was to ban any minister of the church from performing fake marriages. (Please note that fake ie homosexual marriage is legal in NZ).

We need to shun such. And have confidence.

First, it is Christ’s body, and his church, and we shouldn’t underestimate his power, however we also should remember the large number of parables about “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord'”.

Lets use the correct term. Heresy and Heretics. They are NOT Christians, no more than the Gnostics, Albegentians, or Arians. They may be nice, even charitable, but Christian means a follower of Christ – the real one, not the SJW rewrite. And I’m not speaking of complex theological points (e.g. what separates Mormons) but the plain commandments and Traditions that have been the same for centuries.

If Satan isn’t attacking your church, you are doing something wrong because it isn’t a threat. The feel good churches are just Sunday morning entertainment, and in an economic collapse, it will sort out the wheat from the tares.

Shun the converged. We should not tolerate error. we should name it. There is a place for Godly celibacy. (Milo Yannipoulous take note). Instead, the remnant will preach the gospel, as the converged congregations, together with their feckless elders, die.

For they have separated themselves from Christ, and need to repent, and return to him.