The religiousity of the politics of identity.

We are in a religious war, and the elite progressives simply hate anyone who disagrees with them. As is often the case, homosexuals are the canaries in the mineshaft, and are used as shock troops to promote the progressive agenda.

One has to pity the lads. No one likes being drafted into this position: for half the opposition to this is not related to their sin (for we all have sin) nor to them personally, but instead to the progressive agenda, which is the antithesis to marriage.

So why do people (especially elites) make such a big fuss about homosexuals?

In part it’s because the left progressive elite considers it immoral to discriminate against them — they see the Russians and the Christians who are against homosexuality and so on not as being wrong, but as being immoral and evil. They believe they are right, not just logically, but “morally*. It is a religious fight, even if one side is not practicing (often) a theistic faith — it’s a clash of moralities, and they “have religion” about their own concept of morality, which sees any kind of discrimination, including against gays, as deeply immoral and evil.

We on the religious side often forget that, I think. It’s a religious war, full stop, even if one side is not actually practicing a theistic faith, because it’s a war about morals that are held on a religious or quasi-religious basis.

There’s also an element of status mongering going on (i.e. “I’m more PC than you are, nyah, nyah”), but primarily it isn’t cynical, it’s what these folks really believe is moral.

well as I currently live in a place where anti-gay sentiment is very high, I can attest that the US gov’t as well as many NGO’s and international organisations are pouring millions of dollars into the promotion of homosexuality around the world. … Homosexuality is viewed negatively by the traditional culture here and condemned by every religious group in the country. Westerners come here though and regularly condescendingly tell the local people that their non-acceptance of homosexuality is basically because they are stupid. It is a wicked combination of cultural imperialism (with huge sums of money backing it) and racism.

Whereas before I had some sympathy for the cause (because I don’t think people should be abused and maltreated because of having same-sex inclinations), when I see where the agenda leads and how destructive it is intended to be, all sympathy dries up.

Of course there are homosexuals here and always have been. It is simply that homosexual practice is not acceptable in the society. The promotion and widespread acceptance of homosexual practice is a symptom of a people giving themselves over to idolatry and to the total disregard of God.

When the elite has an agenda, particularly a religious agenda, it is not averse, never averse, to use force. Consider for a second what the Temple authorities tried to do with our Lord: arrest him to shut him up.

John 7:37-52

³⁷On the last day of the festival, the great day, while Jesus was standing there, he cried out, “Let anyone who is thirsty come to me, ³⁸and let the one who believes in me drink. As the scripture has said, ‘Out of the believer’s heart shall flow rivers of living water.'” ³⁹Now he said this about the Spirit, which believers in him were to receive; for as yet there was no Spirit, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

⁴⁰When they heard these words, some in the crowd said, “This is really the prophet.” ⁴¹Others said, “This is the Messiah.” But some asked, “Surely the Messiah does not come from Galilee, does he? ⁴²Has not the scripture said that the Messiah is descended from David and comes from Bethlehem, the village where David lived?” ⁴³So there was a division in the crowd because of him. ⁴⁴Some of them wanted to arrest him, but no one laid hands on him.

⁴⁵Then the temple police went back to the chief priests and Pharisees, who asked them, “Why did you not arrest him?” ⁴⁶The police answered, “Never has anyone spoken like this!” ⁴⁷Then the Pharisees replied, “Surely you have not been deceived too, have you? ⁴⁸Has any one of the authorities or of the Pharisees believed in him? ⁴⁹But this crowd, which does not know the law — they are accursed.” ⁵⁰Nicodemus, who had gone to Jesus before, and who was one of them, asked, ⁵¹“Our law does not judge people without first giving them a hearing to find out what they are doing, does it?” ⁵²They replied, “Surely you are not also from Galilee, are you? Search and you will see that no prophet is to arise from Galilee.”

The priests were certain in their reasoning, complete with a proof text: the same kind of one used so often in the thread I have just quoted: there is nothing about this in the word (therefore Jesus is not a prophet: homosexuality is licit and so on). They then enforced this position by the use of power.

And this is a religious war. So what do we do? Well, the first thing is to know that what we call progressive politics is a religion . It does not matter if the politics are green, or the politics of identity (Gramscian socialism), or neo-reactionary: if the ideology is the first and main thing in a person’s life it is their religion.

And if that is the case heretics will be punished. They will accuse us of all kinds of things we are not: for we are not merely in disagreement with them, but we are wrong, we are damned. It is worth noting that the progressive troll who posted this in the same thread was the first person who abused Jews and Negroes on not only the thread I am quoting from, but the blog: he did it so he could claim this was all raciss.

Kinda lame calling people “fags”. Do you call Jews “kikes” or blacks “niggers” when you disagree with them?
Even conservative politicians don’t speak that way , because they know how stupid it makes them look.
It robs any kind of spiritual or “moral” argument you might make and makes it seem like you’re against gay people because you’re a bigot, which I assume you’re not.

Well, I have some news for this bloke. In the terms of my teenage lads, “gay” does not mean happy (the original meaning) to homosexuals (the PC meaning) to being a pathetic loser. There is now propaganda to preserve the PC meaning, because the language has shifted.

And this troll forgets the point that we need to make continually, for it applies to us all: our sins have alienated us from God and without Christ we are all damned. Your politics and precious use of language will not lead to your salvation.

Hebrews 13:1-16

¹Let mutual love continue. ²Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by doing that some have entertained angels without knowing it. ³Remember those who are in prison, as though you were in prison with them; those who are being tortured, as though you yourselves were being tortured. ⁴Let marriage be held in honor by all, and let the marriage bed be kept undefiled; for God will judge fornicators and adulterers. ⁵Keep your lives free from the love of money, and be content with what you have; for he has said, “I will never leave you or forsake you.” ⁶So we can say with confidence, “The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid. What can anyone do to me?”

⁷Remember your leaders, those who spoke the word of God to you; consider the outcome of their way of life, and imitate their faith. ⁸Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. ⁹Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings; for it is well for the heart to be strengthened by grace, not by regulations about food, which have not benefited those who observe them. ¹⁰We have an altar from which those who officiate in the tent have no right to eat. ¹¹For the bodies of those animals whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest as a sacrifice for sin are burned outside the camp. ¹²Therefore Jesus also suffered outside the city gate in order to sanctify the people by his own blood. ¹³Let us then go to him outside the camp and bear the abuse he endured. ¹⁴For here we have no lasting city, but we are looking for the city that is to come. ¹⁵Through him, then, let us continually offer a sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of lips that confess his name. ¹⁶Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are pleasing to God.

So let us keep our marriage beds undefiled: let those of us who are not married pray for the strength to live in holy celibacy: and let us place our energy in doing good and in living peaceably and in righteousness.

The elite are against us. We cannot change that. And we should not change to be like them.