Comments on: The fifth column that would destroy us.

By: pukeko

Thu, 05 Nov 2015 05:34:22 +0000

And you had more than a few moments. I stand corrected.

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By: pukeko

Thu, 05 Nov 2015 05:33:47 +0000

Mea Maxima culpa.

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By: Elspeth

Thu, 05 Nov 2015 03:44:38 +0000

Well actually Mr. Chris, I wrote that post sir. Alte is brilliant, but I had my moments.

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By: Looking Glass

Wed, 28 Oct 2015 09:49:13 +0000

I built up this handy little guide in my head for all of these discussions, as it’s pretty easy to explain the problem.

– Highest domestic violence is among Lesbians.
– Next is among Gay Men.
– “Transgendered” means “Suicide that will happen”.
– Drug & Alcohol abuse are a given among all of them.

This is why they spent so many years building up a positive picture of these people. They are broken at a fundamental level and rationalizing it is all they have left. Encouraging it is to visit evil upon them. That they can show up for work on time doesn’t mean they are healthy. (That’s the actual argument, broken down, that they’ve used to not call them mental disorders anymore.)

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By: Bike Bubba

Tue, 27 Oct 2015 22:35:29 +0000

Really not just means; encouragement, even to the point of denying the Gospel. I know of people who argue that the person accused of abuse automatically is seen as an unbeliever, and hence no process per Matthew 18–and their pronouncements in legal terms are no less unambiguous. Due process? Opportunity for repentance and reconciliation? An opportunity to defend oneself, , or for the victim to figure out how she (or he for that matter) contributed to the situation?

Dream on. We’ve got an unscientific power wheel to work here, so sorry if it crushes you in the process.

Lots of things I’ve seen in the past few years are making sense now……and it strikes me also that my wife could be said to exert a lot of the same power and control over me. I am guessing things would not be good, for example, if I used my legal right to be a bartender or bouncer at a strip club.

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By: Chris Gale

Tue, 27 Oct 2015 18:33:34 +0000

Well, it is Alte (Vanessa) from Trad Christianity. The site is still up: I regret when the Ladies stopped writing it, but (having contact with some of them) they are probably more blessed now they don’t blog. And I’d rather they were happy, loving their husbands and raising their kids well.

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By: Chris Gale

Tue, 27 Oct 2015 18:31:42 +0000

The Duluth model enables serial relationships by giving the women means to blow up anything and let the next thug in. IT enables her do dump the father of her children. For any action can be deemed abuse.

And yes, it is from the pit.

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By: Bike Bubba

Tue, 27 Oct 2015 15:00:42 +0000

If domestic violence is the product of patriarchy, which emphasized marriage instead of cohabitation, tell me why domestic violence is so much higher in cohabitation relationships than in marriage. And I would assume that the “power and control wheel”, when implemented in “counseling”, would then tend to encourage women to leave their husbands and….find someone with whom to cohabit.

Which is to say that if you take a look at the data honestly, with a control and accounting for side effects like this, that the end result of Duluth model intervention is likely to be not zero, but less than zero. Which is what I’ve seen in one domestic abuser I know well–his wife left him with Duluth-like logic (it was in 1983, so probably a little early for full Duluth, but I heard the aftermath), and he went on to have a series of cohabiting relationships, one of which ended with an arrest & jail time, another of which ended with things that….I don’t know everything, but let’s just say the ex and his daughters shared some of the things they’d seen.

And it is striking that I came to Christ a few years after the divorce, and the proper rebuke to this abuser’s logic was directly from those patriarchal pages of Scripture. Duluth is out of the frying pan and into the fire, as far as I can tell.

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By: LeeLee

Tue, 27 Oct 2015 13:26:00 +0000

The thing about the rental versus an owned property is so true it’s beautiful. I think healthy women very much want to be owned, and developed, and improved by a good, loving, strong man. I want commands from my husband because I trust him and I know that it will help me grow.

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