Comments on: How to distort skewed social science. https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2015/08/how-to-distort-skewed-social-science/ Bleak Theology: Hopeful Science Sat, 04 Jun 2016 16:36:31 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.5.2 By: An abortion meta-analysis. | Dark Brightness https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2015/08/how-to-distort-skewed-social-science/comment-page-1/#comment-6113 Mon, 10 Aug 2015 08:38:14 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=7069#comment-6113 […] is a followup to my comments about poor social science and propaganda. I’m working on something else, but found an meta analysis of adverse outcomes for abortion. […]

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By: Guilt and Shame have utility [John 3] | Dark Brightness https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2015/08/how-to-distort-skewed-social-science/comment-page-1/#comment-6107 Sun, 09 Aug 2015 00:36:09 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=7069#comment-6107 […] The women I spoke to who had guilt – one would be honest about that, and I don’t think the other would. But the guilt was evident in every line of her body, the distress in her voice, her attempt to get me to tell her it had been okay (so sorry, didn’t work out for her). Abortion, for most women, is a deeply shameful act. This last couple of years, there has been a push to make it less shameful, to bring it out of the closet, as t’were. *To make it shameful to have shame, in other words.* My denomination runs a post-abortion-care ministry. That’s hard to hear at first, but it is the sin that women who come to Christ carry as the unforgivable sin, the sin that keeps them from accepting God’s grace. Since we know there are no sins that were not washed away in blood… it behooves us to remind others of that truth. When I found out about tThe women I spoke to who had guilthat ministry, that was the same day I found out how many women in America have had abortions. Horrible. (It’s about 1 in 3). […]

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By: hearthie https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2015/08/how-to-distort-skewed-social-science/comment-page-1/#comment-6106 Sat, 08 Aug 2015 15:05:15 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=7069#comment-6106 Wandered off for a minute and thought… what if this whole Emperor Has New Clothes business’ ultimate purpose is to keep women from accepting God’s grace?

The world says I should feel no shame, so the shame I feel is wrong. God is wrong, because when I think of Him, I feel greater shame. I should bury this feeling of shame, I should never admit it. I did the good thing. The other women feel fine. I am bad, because I am not like the others. … and onward.

To come to Christ is to first, bring your sin into the light – and second, to accept someone Else’s sacrifice on your behalf.

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By: hearthie https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2015/08/how-to-distort-skewed-social-science/comment-page-1/#comment-6105 Sat, 08 Aug 2015 14:56:14 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=7069#comment-6105 The black community is regrettably heavily over-represented in abortions, including repeat abortions. http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/09/abortions-racial-gap/380251/ The only women I have spoken to about their abortions who haven’t had guilt and regret have been those who have had repeat abortions (not black, just repeat offenders). Your heart becomes calloused, I expect.

I could write a long thing about “why” but that’s not really the point.

The women I spoke to who had guilt – one would be honest about that, and I don’t think the other would. But the guilt was evident in every line of her body, the distress in her voice, her attempt to get me to tell her it had been okay (so sorry, didn’t work out for her). Abortion, for most women, is a deeply shameful act. This last couple of years, there has been a push to make it less shameful, to bring it out of the closet, as t’were. *To make it shameful to have shame, in other words.*

My denomination runs a post-abortion-care ministry. That’s hard to hear at first, but it is the sin that women who come to Christ carry as the unforgivable sin, the sin that keeps them from accepting God’s grace. Since we know there are no sins that were not washed away in blood… it behooves us to remind others of that truth. When I found out about that ministry, that was the same day I found out how many women in America have had abortions. Horrible. (It’s about 1 in 3). If you want more horrible stats, feel free to visit here: http://www.abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics/

I live in a state where public schools are required to transport girl children to abortionists without parental notification upon application from the child. Starting at about 12.

And yes, this is social science for crap. I didn’t get a lot out of my degree, but I had a long, boring class about methods, and the methods used above are perfect to get whatever response that the study was hoping to get. First you ask questions only of people willing to be asked, let respondents drop out like flies. Then you ask emotionally charged questions… um. Yeah. Think about it from the respondent side. Authority figure connected with your abortion asks you if you feel guilt about abortion, on a “color in the bubble” kind of survey. Of course you say, “I’m fine”. If you weren’t fine, you’d probably not choose to be reminded of how unfine you were.

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By: Joshua Sinistar https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2015/08/how-to-distort-skewed-social-science/comment-page-1/#comment-6104 Sat, 08 Aug 2015 09:07:12 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=7069#comment-6104 I wouldn’t even deign to call this science. At best its a politically motivated propaganda piece and at worst its outright fraud. Having vastly unrepresentative surveys is a big red flag for studies. One third black? The black population generally doesn’t see much stigma with murder one, so not being bothered by abortion is no surprise, but this isn’t science. Wanna bet this study was funded by Planned Parenthood?

There are two errors: one is in the methods. The questions are important: I can change the rate of depression to anything between the two to five percent that is the severe melancholic depression and up to on ein four who are sad and grieving by my choice of questions.

Unfortunately, I know that area all too well, and the current methods used tend to inflate the rates, which (Ron Kessler, From Harvard) thinks is a good thing because (He is a sociologist by training) thinks early treatment will help. I’m a mere clinician, and I see the problems of treatment — from side effects of medications to people having psychotic breaks because their therapist encouraged them to recall trauma before giving them to tools to cope.

The second error is that it was reported as saying that women’s feelings are OK post abortion. What people report is not how they are.A skewed sample is not all women. And Heartie is correct: the idea that you cannot feel shame stops people repenting and keeps them nicely damned, in the mind of the elite, who hate Christ and all his works.

Someone needs to fisk these papers. Crititue their methods. Regardless of who sponsored it. Because it is bad research, and the reporting is NOT what the authors said. It is pure propaganda.

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By: Will S. https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2015/08/how-to-distort-skewed-social-science/comment-page-1/#comment-6103 Sat, 08 Aug 2015 06:31:15 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=7069#comment-6103 Who’s the pagan commenter? You didn’t provide a link.

Warlock, who is a new person at Dalrock’s place. Links fixed.

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