Comments on: You cannot afford to be nice. [I Jn 2] https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2015/04/you-cannot-afford-to-be-nice-i-jn-2/ Bleak Theology: Hopeful Science Thu, 10 Mar 2016 23:28:54 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.4.2 By: Jenny https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2015/04/you-cannot-afford-to-be-nice-i-jn-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4934 Wed, 15 Apr 2015 12:39:05 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=6268#comment-4934 have to quit watching that new show I’ve been loving, nudgings last night and now you

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By: Cleora Lanford https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2015/04/you-cannot-afford-to-be-nice-i-jn-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4932 Wed, 15 Apr 2015 04:34:41 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=6268#comment-4932 Thank you for existing.

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By: pukeko https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2015/04/you-cannot-afford-to-be-nice-i-jn-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4930 Wed, 15 Apr 2015 00:12:51 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=6268#comment-4930 @Hearthie. Similar experience with the Elim churches in NZ. The prosperity gospel, non exegetic, let’s concentrate on worship churches fail all the time. And my local kirk is full of people who have been part of the charismatic movement, me included.

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By: pukeko https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2015/04/you-cannot-afford-to-be-nice-i-jn-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4929 Wed, 15 Apr 2015 00:11:21 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=6268#comment-4929 @ Brown Llyod Geering was thrown out of the PCANZ (Kiwi Presbyterians) as a heretic. Correctly.

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By: Brown https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2015/04/you-cannot-afford-to-be-nice-i-jn-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4928 Tue, 14 Apr 2015 21:30:19 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=6268#comment-4928 All the churches I have ever attended have felt their preaching was sound. Given the wide range of views about everything from the creation accounts, the state of the Jews, the rapture and the nature of Jersualem at the end of time within the in the church system I think some of them will be wrong. Some errors won’t matter on the last day but I feel some will. As Dire Straights sing – “Two men say they are Jesus, one of them must be wrong”.

I attended a home study group a few years ago where the ruling view was that the Jews are special, Christians will be spared the tribulation and so on. These are common enough views that have arisen within the last 100 years or so. Orthodox Christians would say these are errors. At study people would quote a Bible verse but never kept on reading to get context – the verse was always cut off at the point beyond which their views ceased to make sense. The pastor at the related church was not formally trained.

Of course things came to a head and I, along with another group studying from a perfectly orthodox perspective, were obliged to stop studying or leave. Invitations from us to sit down with the Bible were never taken up and the final meeting with the elders was depressing as it became clear that their knowledge was very limited. These men were, however, well connected within the church family. If this is common within church life we are in serious trouble because it will stifle real study. The more I study in depth the more convincing the word becomes. One of the study groups at the current church looks to Prof Geering for guidance. That should attract attention but hasn’t. All quite depressing really.

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By: hearthie https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2015/04/you-cannot-afford-to-be-nice-i-jn-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4927 Tue, 14 Apr 2015 20:33:25 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=6268#comment-4927 Since my church (Calvary Chapel) came out of that movement, I’ll say that the biggest reason that we’re still around is that while our worship is loud … our preaching is sound. Verse by verse, through the Bible, serious study, serious application.

Absolutely agree that if you go all experience, you get into piranha infested waters pretty quickly.

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