Comments on: I hate churchian lies.

By: pukeko

Fri, 13 Feb 2015 01:55:28 +0000

@Deti:
I’m aware that Susan Walsh lives in a UMC world, but so do I: most of my friends are small businessmen, professionals and academics. Most UMC women in NZ do not marry until they have lived with a person for some years, and generally after saving up for the “big day”, and delay having kids until that happens (and the mortgage partially paid). The working class have neither marriages nor mortgages.

But all these groups get well and truly minced by family courts. In NZ there is no alimony, property is split 50;50, and your income is imputed for child support. There are a bunch of men living on very low incomes so they pay the bare minimum to their kids as a consequence.

@Hearthie.
Got the post, and I will leave the link up, because you have good information there.

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By: Hearthrose

Fri, 13 Feb 2015 01:08:39 +0000

OT, but you’ve said you get JW fairly often. Today was interesting, and I need a drink. Only I don’t really drink. Bother. https://hearthtobelovely.wordpress.com/2015/02/12/two-interesting-hours/ (You don’t need to publish this if you don’t want, I just wanted to make sure you read it).

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By: deti

Thu, 12 Feb 2015 22:17:33 +0000

Moreover, Chris, Susan Walsh is writing to and for and about the very women in today’s American society who are most likely to marry, and most likely to remain married once they do marry, and that is college educated, upper middle class and upper class white women. So of course she sees no problems in their futures. Of course it’s all smooth sailing.

One of the primary problems in American political life and policymaking is that most of the policymakers are liberal, modern, upper middle class and upper class. These are the folks who do the best with marriage — they have the mindset, the mental and cognitive skills, the future time orientation, and the money. They understand full well what’s at stake in marriage and in divorce. They understand their children’s futures are at stake. SO , they make policy thinking that everyone else is just like them, when they aren’t. Not everyone else has the foresight, the money, or the skills to work, hold down a job, select a suitable marriage partner, and keep that marriage going once contracted. And, of course, some either select poorly or can’t keep the marriage going for whatever reason.

So the problem is liberal modern policymakers saying “well, all you lower class and middle class folk need to do is just be like us, and you’ll be fine! Just go to college! Just get a job! Just get married and stay married! Just have children!”

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By: deti

Thu, 12 Feb 2015 22:10:58 +0000

Dear Chris:

You have to realize Susan Walsh’s core audience. When she says that the decline in marriage has nothing to do with hookup culture, women going to college, or delaying marriage, she’s talking about a very, very narrow demographic: Women between ages 18-30 in the United States, college educated or in college, middle class or above, working or seeking work, politically moderate to liberal, and sexually active.

She concerns herself with no other demographic group. Her narrow “research” and pronouncements have nothing to do with Christian women, black women, Latinas, working class women, poor women, baby mamas, non-American women, or women who haven’t attended college.

Even so, though Susan doesn’t want to admit it, the marriage decline (it’s not a marriage “strike”, at least not yet) has everything to do with the fact that most men can’t attract most women, and most women are wholesale offloading and discarding most men. That’s the simple fact of the matter. Period. Full stop.

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