Comments on: The ecumenical delusion. https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2014/06/the-ecumenical-delusion/ Bleak Theology: Hopeful Science Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:07:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.3.1 By: pukeko https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2014/06/the-ecumenical-delusion/comment-page-1/#comment-3712 Sun, 22 Jun 2014 18:42:38 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=4412#comment-3712 Well what is happening is that the ruling committees of the PCUSA have jumped the proverbial shark. It will winnow out the believers. We have been here before. Last century. When the socialist s and Nazis tried to take over the church. That is where the term confessing church came from, and the pressute on the Pope to let it happen was tremendous but they stood firm.

The unity we have e is in Christ. Now if and when we become one…. the will be some offended people! For we worship in different ways.

Good news about the witness, btw

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By: pukeko https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2014/06/the-ecumenical-delusion/comment-page-1/#comment-3711 Sun, 22 Jun 2014 18:35:25 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=4412#comment-3711 Agree.

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By: Cranberry https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2014/06/the-ecumenical-delusion/comment-page-1/#comment-3709 Sun, 22 Jun 2014 16:55:00 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=4412#comment-3709 I’m sorry Hearth and Chris, but that article made me go all “Huh?” and be like OMG, what the?!?!

I’ll let my inner ditz go now. Have they lost their minds? I mean that with all sincerity. “The unity of two persons” not merely a man and a woman…it’s insanity.

I cannot claim to know much about the Reformation, my reading of the history is lacking at the moment. Large stack of books to get through before I reach reading about it, but it’s on the list…my superficial understanding is there was a disagreement with Rome and people went about studying and interpreting Scripture on a personal level and new denominations split off. I know, that’s pitifully thin and weak on details but it’s fundamentally correct, no? If it is fundamentally correct, then…why wouldn’t endless iterations of interpretation of Scripture eventually lead to this?

Break off once due to a disagreement, and you can fracture into perpetuity over other disagreements, large and small.

I hope that doesn’t sound stupid and ignorant to you. I am not trying to anger you, nor am I willfully ignorant, I really don’t understand the nuances of the break in the Church, but I wonder if something like this is just a continuance of the cascade.

I do wonder about my parish sometimes. I can’t ferret out whether they are breaking traditional or modern. We used to include a letter from the Pope every week in our church bulletin, but it suddenly ceased appearing, and in it’s place are letters from our pastor about the importance of religious education for children and adults, exhortations to read the Bible and pray daily – but none of this is really new, or newsworthy, to Catholics. I sometimes wonder if our pastor and deacons feel that Francis I is a proper leader. His words and deeds are neither mentioned nor praised, nor is he included in our intercessory prayers during Mass, whereas Benedict was always included. Maybe I’m seeing something that isn’t really there…

It’s Sunday for me here in NJ, and it is Corpus Christi Sunday, the Day of the Precious Body and Blood of Christ, where we reaffirm our belief in transubstantiation and taking Christ into our bodies to become more like Him. Our priest exhorted us to pray for unity in faith and charity with our Christian brethren, and I will do so for you and all of our brethren worldwide, especially in the face of such dangerous and insane and anti-Christian ideas.

We need unity now more than ever.

(if I may drop a bright note here, I think God is moving through me somehow. I started working a little job, a few hours a week, and two young co-workers asked why I don’t work Sundays? Church, I said, and they asked me about going back to mass and should they? I told them my experience, and this Sunday, I saw one of them there at mass, and the other told me yesterday she is going to be confirmed so she can be married as a Catholic to her Catholic boyfriend. I don’t know if I just notice this more now that I am in the mix, or if I’m being privileged to see the tide turn, but Alleluia, the lambs are turning towards home!)

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By: Hearthrose https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2014/06/the-ecumenical-delusion/comment-page-1/#comment-3708 Sun, 22 Jun 2014 14:19:00 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=4412#comment-3708 I liked what Mr. Morris commented there. Blasphemy indeed. It’s one thing to say you’re gonna do it, another to say the Holy Spirit says it’s cool.

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By: chrisgale https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2014/06/the-ecumenical-delusion/comment-page-1/#comment-3704 Sun, 22 Jun 2014 07:12:00 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=4412#comment-3704 I am very tempted to write an open letter to the coward who is the current moderator of the PCUSA. However I am quite sure that there will be enough Presbyterians in America doing this.

We are called to be righteous. We are not called to be nice http://www.thinkinghousewife.com/wp/2014/06/nice-presbyterians/

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By: Hearthrose https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2014/06/the-ecumenical-delusion/comment-page-1/#comment-3703 Sun, 22 Jun 2014 03:48:00 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=4412#comment-3703 I was disheartened by this: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/presbyterian-church-leaders-declare-gay-marriage-christian-n136256

But as for being one body in Christ, as His Church. Yep. We’re family. One in Christ. In 20 years, will there be more denominations than “Biblical Christian” vs. “Disney Churchian”? I hope so, but I’m starting to think maybe not. :/

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