Comments on: Models of the endgame. https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2014/05/models-of-the-endgame/ Bleak Theology: Hopeful Science Fri, 25 Sep 2015 18:59:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.3.1 By: Hearthrose https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2014/05/models-of-the-endgame/comment-page-1/#comment-3613 Mon, 12 May 2014 21:21:00 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=4163#comment-3613 All very true. In usage, we call the integrated set of folks “Hispanic” and the not-integrated folks, “Mexican”. (Doesn’t really matter where they’re from. If you don’t speak English, you’re small* and brown, you’re Mexican. I know that’s horrible. Anyway). CA intermarries heavily, yes. I tend to think it’s odd when I see places that don’t. (Asian people are culturally white people here, excepting maybe in large groups).

But we DO have weird political stuff to work around the folks who don’t integrate – including being very helpful to those here illegally.

All the not-integrated grumpy people form something of a brace against Muslim invaders. Making me feel guilty and over polite? Not difficult. The vato across the street? Puhleeze. My husband used to get tackled on the way home from high school because big white boys make good bragging rights… if you can take them down…

*Mestizo men are often about my height or close to it. 6″ extra across the shoulders, mind you. But short. I tower over Mestizo women. And the Okinawan/South Asian women. I’m actually average height in my town…

FWIW I’m a NW European mutt – Irish, Scottish, English, German and Swedish. A little other stuff, but basically that.

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By: chrisgale https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2014/05/models-of-the-endgame/comment-page-1/#comment-3612 Mon, 12 May 2014 20:33:00 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=4163#comment-3612 Well some groups integrate, and I would say that includes a fair number of what y’all in the USA call “Hispanics”: I find it hard to consider Ms Diaz as such.

And the idea that Penelope Cruz is “Hispanic” while her French co-star is “European” is stupid.

It is the groups who cannot integrate that matter: and then only one. Those who want to be left alone generally just get on with things, be they Chinese, Sikh, Jewish or Amish. It is the groups that have an ideology of change that cause division. That ideology can be racialist (the 19th century nationalist movements, or the race-baiting in the USA) or religious (such as an insistance on Sharia).

The ideology of the USA IS the melting pot. What is currently called “white” includes the Anglos (moi: I have a family middle name that is also the name of a London Suburb) and the Scots-Irish (also moi) the Germans, the French Hugenots, the Dutch, the Poles… the Irish (different from the Scots-Irish, and severely discriminated against).

When the melting pot stops working, America will stop being American. And that includes intermarriage — consider how many of the Bush men (and that is a very WASPy family) have married beauties whose families came from “South of the Border”.

The problem in California is a tolerance of politics of identity that really should not be an issue. For there is a lot more in common between a Black American, or a Mexican-American, or a WASP, than they have with an Argentine or a Quebecios. Or someone from Manitoba, for that matter. The USA has a set of assumptions that don’t travel well.

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By: Hearthrose https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2014/05/models-of-the-endgame/comment-page-1/#comment-3611 Mon, 12 May 2014 14:11:00 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=4163#comment-3611 Californians don’t worry about Sharia. One sees only a few hijab-wearing Muslim folk around… but we have our own issues. http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/27/justice/california-school-american-flag-shirts/ I’ll post a European-esqe link on FB, too close to home to post it here.

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