Comments on: Friends do not let friends be doormats. [Quotage] https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2014/02/friends-do-not-let-friends-be-doormats-quotage/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=friends-do-not-let-friends-be-doormats-quotage Bleak Theology: Hopeful Science Tue, 11 Mar 2014 23:44:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.1 By: Lightning Round -2014/02/05 | Free Northerner https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2014/02/friends-do-not-let-friends-be-doormats-quotage/comment-page-1/#comment-3207 Wed, 05 Feb 2014 06:04:17 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=3479#comment-3207 […] Traditional sex roles week at RoK. Hashtag: #BacktotheKitchen Related: The empowered female parasite. Related: How feminists attack the traditional woman. Related: Why is Rebecca Sparrow attacking young moms for staying fit and pretty? Related: Submission and door mats. […]

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By: Faith is not appeasement. | Dark Brightness https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2014/02/friends-do-not-let-friends-be-doormats-quotage/comment-page-1/#comment-3200 Mon, 03 Feb 2014 18:37:53 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=3479#comment-3200 […] couple of days ago I slipped a line into a comment, that this blog deliberately finds the third rail in the lectionary and skips down the third (electrified) rail. If the passage makes my head hurt, it goes […]

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By: chrisgale https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2014/02/friends-do-not-let-friends-be-doormats-quotage/comment-page-1/#comment-3196 Sun, 02 Feb 2014 00:40:00 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=3479#comment-3196 Well, no it is not: it’s fairly consistent teaching in the Bible. Consider for a second Timothy being taught to tell the older women to teach younger women how to love their husbands and children, or Titus being told that an elder must be able to control his household. And, yes, gender matters.

I am going to quote the geek of the reformation here.

22. Wives, submit yourselves. He comes now to the various conditions of life; for, besides the universal bond of subjection, some are more closely bound to each other, according to their respective callings. The community at large is divided, as it were, into so many yokes, out of which arises mutual obligation. There is, first, the yoke of marriage between husband and wife; — secondly, the yoke which binds parents and children; — and, thirdly, the yoke which connects masters and servants. By this arrangement there are six different classes, for each of whom Paul lays down peculiar duties. He begins with wives, whom he enjoins to be subject to their husbands, in the same manner as to Christ, — as to the Lord. Not that the authority is equal, but wives cannot obey Christ without yielding obedience to their husbands.

23. For the husband is the head of the wife. This is the reason assigned why wives should be obedient. Christ has appointed the same relation to exist between a husband and a wife, as between himself and his church. This comparison ought to produce a stronger impression on their minds, than the mere declaration that such is the appointment of God. Two things are here stated. God has given to the husband authority over the wife; and a resemblance of this authority is found in Christ, who is the head of the church, as the husband is of the wife.
And he is the savior of the body. The pronoun HE (?????) is supposed by some to refer to Christ; and, by others, to the husband. It applies more naturally, in my opinion, to Christ, but still with a view to the present subject. In this point, as well as in others, the resemblance ought to hold. As Christ rules over his church for her salvation, so nothing yields more advantage or comfort to the wife than to be subject to her husband. To refuse that subjection, by means of which they might be saved, is to choose destruction.

24. But, as the church is subject to Christ. The particle but, may lead some to believe that the words, he is the savior of the body, are intended to anticipate an objection. Christ has, no doubt, this peculiar claim, that he is the Savior of the Church: nevertheless, let wives know, that their husbands, though they cannot produce equal claims, have authority over them, after the example of Christ. I prefer the former interpretation; for the argument derived from the word but, (????,) does not appear to me to have much weight.

25. Husbands, love your wives. From husbands, on the other hand, the apostle requires that they cherish toward their wives no ordinary love; for to them, also, he holds out the example of Christ, — even as Christ also loved the church. If they are honored to bear his image, and to be, in some measure, his representatives, they ought to resemble him also in the discharge of duty.

Do not want to argue with me? Reject my authority? Frankly, I don;t have any: I’m lay. But the theologians of the church argued pretty much the way Calvin did until the last two or three generations. I agree that this is deeply unfashionable, but If you look at the other post for this day, you will find that I linked to a Churchian fool who is following the fashion of these egalitarian times and leaving men outside of his quite feminist church.

For the church is supposed to be based around families, not some weird hyperspiritual harem.

Is this place dangerous? Well go look around here a bit: the site is about dancing on the third rail and going for the difficult parts of scripture. I am reformed in theology, classically liberal (by which I mean John Milton, not Rosseau, nor the Jacobites, nor the Progressives) in politics. That, in this time, is not a safe position to take.

Which is another reason I do not visit the lands of hyper political prosecution.

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By: Hearthrose https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2014/02/friends-do-not-let-friends-be-doormats-quotage/comment-page-1/#comment-3195 Sun, 02 Feb 2014 00:15:00 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=3479#comment-3195 And I play a mean game of WoW… ’cause my husband likes it when I game with him. But like Alte’s hubs, he is more than man enough to swat me on my nose if I’m a pest, and prefers me opinions intact otherwise.

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By: Brown https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2014/02/friends-do-not-let-friends-be-doormats-quotage/comment-page-1/#comment-3194 Sun, 02 Feb 2014 00:03:00 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=3479#comment-3194 This is an annoying pick of a paragraph in isolation and with a book as deep and complex as the Bible that’s dangerous territory. You miss the other bit which says “Husbands love your wives like Christ loved the Church” (or something like that). Is there a bigger ask ? The men do not get a free ride and the cultural shift for men of that day was significant to say the least.

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