Comments on: Missionaries set the seed for democracy. https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2014/01/missionaries-set-the-seed-for-democracy/ Bleak Theology: Hopeful Science Fri, 23 Jan 2015 02:04:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1 By: Signs and wonders are not salvation. | Dark Brightness https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2014/01/missionaries-set-the-seed-for-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-3185 Sun, 26 Jan 2014 18:34:49 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=3414#comment-3185 […] The Gospel is about the glory of God and the reconciliation of a fallen world with its creator.It is not about healing, though healing occurs. It’s not about doing good, though good things will occur. And it is definitely not about saving society, or making it democratic, although historically both have happened. […]

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By: Theology vs snark. | Dark Brightness https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2014/01/missionaries-set-the-seed-for-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-3176 Fri, 24 Jan 2014 21:06:13 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=3414#comment-3176 […] am thinking this morning about two posts that will wind people up. One is the missionaries from the Victorian era are still influencing the post colonial world. and the second is probably the least read post of the week, but the one that made me think the […]

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By: chrisgale https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2014/01/missionaries-set-the-seed-for-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-3175 Fri, 24 Jan 2014 20:28:00 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=3414#comment-3175 Additional: a constitutional monarchy is a republic with a king or queen: In my view that’s better than the presidential system because parliament can sack (with extreme prejudice)) the PM if he loses their confidence, The PM has to be in parliament (and if he is convicted of a felony, he cannot be a member) and the monarch can dissolve parliament if it goes of the rails. The reserve powers have been used (Australia did: Gough Whitlam) but this is quite rare.

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By: chrisgale https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2014/01/missionaries-set-the-seed-for-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-3174 Fri, 24 Jan 2014 20:25:00 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=3414#comment-3174 @Rob. I have lived under a functional dictatorship — NZ has had its fair share of control freak Prime Ministers, and with virtually no checks and balances and a large majority Rob Muldoon ran the country as a personal fiefdom from 1975 -1984, leaving the country bankrupt. So, I’m a fan of the republic, limited government, limited powers.
The republic, like capitalism, is a messy system. But it is better than the alternatives.
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What the missionaries did was set up a literate and educated society. I guess a parallel would be the monastic movement saving the ancient manuscripts during the fall of the (Roman) empire.

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By: Wiless https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2014/01/missionaries-set-the-seed-for-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-3172 Fri, 24 Jan 2014 18:37:00 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=3414#comment-3172 I would not rather live in a world with aristocratic feudalism, with lords and vassals, and absolute monarchical governments with the ‘Holy Mother Church’ making and breaking kings; nor would I wish to live in a socialist anti-utopia, either; or some place governed by some crackpot economic ideology like distributism, a la ‘Social Credit’.
Liberal democratic constitutional monarchy, for all its flaws, certainly strikes as the best system, because it doesn’t have the bigger flaws of all the other alternatives.

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By: rob https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2014/01/missionaries-set-the-seed-for-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-3171 Fri, 24 Jan 2014 09:54:00 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=3414#comment-3171 So you admire democracy I take it?

I do not think democracy is that good to be honest, we live in a world dominated by the corporations. And Protestants opened the door to usury capitalism.

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