Comments on: Useful Christian Fools. https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2012/01/useful-christian-fools/ Bleak theology: hopeful science. Wed, 01 Feb 2012 18:15:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: pukeko https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2012/01/useful-christian-fools/#comment-6454 pukeko Fri, 06 Jan 2012 05:40:07 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=2461#comment-6454 <em>I think the problem is clergy are pandering to their congregation; churches care more about attendance/popularity, than holiness.</em> Agreed. And this is the exact opposite of that the leadership should be doing. For what it is worth, Knox is the power congregation in my town: has many very prominent professionals and business people in it. My church is not. I think the problem is clergy are pandering to their congregation; churches care more about attendance/popularity, than holiness.

Agreed.

And this is the exact opposite of that the leadership should be doing.

For what it is worth, Knox is the power congregation in my town: has many very prominent professionals and business people in it. My church is not.

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By: Butterfly Flower https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2012/01/useful-christian-fools/#comment-6452 Butterfly Flower Fri, 06 Jan 2012 02:44:06 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=2461#comment-6452 I used to go to an elite church with parishioners who actually worked on Wall Street - so I had to deal with the exact opposite problem [the American elite are fascists, possessing a strange hodge-podge of liberal and conservative social values.] I think the problem is clergy are pandering to their congregation; churches care more about attendance/popularity, than holiness. I used to go to an elite church with parishioners who actually worked on Wall Street – so I had to deal with the exact opposite problem [the American elite are fascists, possessing a strange hodge-podge of liberal and conservative social values.]

I think the problem is clergy are pandering to their congregation; churches care more about attendance/popularity, than holiness.

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By: Will S. https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2012/01/useful-christian-fools/#comment-6426 Will S. Tue, 03 Jan 2012 01:16:04 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=2461#comment-6426 Jennifer is Methodist, I understand. Not sure which kind, though; perhaps she can clarify for us. I attended an Anglican service a year ago, Christmas eve. It was disastrous. I intend never to set foot in a mainline church ever again, save for friends' weddings / baptisms (of friends' kids) / funerals... <strong>I'm Presbyterian, where there is a strong reformed tradition. But some of the congregations give the rest of us a bad name. Knox, unfortunately, manages to do this fairly consistently. </strong> Jennifer is Methodist, I understand. Not sure which kind, though; perhaps she can clarify for us.

I attended an Anglican service a year ago, Christmas eve. It was disastrous. I intend never to set foot in a mainline church ever again, save for friends’ weddings / baptisms (of friends’ kids) / funerals…

I’m Presbyterian, where there is a strong reformed tradition. But some of the congregations give the rest of us a bad name. Knox, unfortunately, manages to do this fairly consistently.

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By: saintvelvet https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2012/01/useful-christian-fools/#comment-6421 saintvelvet Mon, 02 Jan 2012 19:02:54 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=2461#comment-6421 We attended a family member's Methodist service on Christmas eve - it was a disaster. I mean, it was very nice in a community of good cheer sort of way, but it was painfully lacking any sort of gravity. It's like a theological free-for-all, with everyone afraid to be serious (people might get uppity), but don't worry, singing all five verses of the carols will save us. I'm not a good student of theology, but I've learned a lot the last year and the "Jesus on the side" stuff becomes more and more obvious even with my stuttering progress. It's very awkward to listen to. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, Chris. Jennifer, silly goose, where have you been? We attended a family member’s Methodist service on Christmas eve – it was a disaster. I mean, it was very nice in a community of good cheer sort of way, but it was painfully lacking any sort of gravity. It’s like a theological free-for-all, with everyone afraid to be serious (people might get uppity), but don’t worry, singing all five verses of the carols will save us. I’m not a good student of theology, but I’ve learned a lot the last year and the “Jesus on the side” stuff becomes more and more obvious even with my stuttering progress. It’s very awkward to listen to.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, Chris. Jennifer, silly goose, where have you been?

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By: Will S. https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2012/01/useful-christian-fools/#comment-6418 Will S. Mon, 02 Jan 2012 15:42:20 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=2461#comment-6418 Yes; prithee do tell, O Jennifer, how Knox was a dupe, and of whom, and why only somewhat. Chris: Good ultimate decision; there really is no point ever visiting a liberal, mainline 'church'. Yes; prithee do tell, O Jennifer, how Knox was a dupe, and of whom, and why only somewhat.

Chris: Good ultimate decision; there really is no point ever visiting a liberal, mainline ‘church’.

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By: Jennifer https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2012/01/useful-christian-fools/#comment-6416 Jennifer Mon, 02 Jan 2012 07:54:10 +0000 https://pukeko.net.nz/blog/?p=2461#comment-6416 In fact, Knox himself was a somewhat useful idiot. <strong>Expand, please. </strong> In fact, Knox himself was a somewhat useful idiot.

Expand, please.

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