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	<description>Bleak theology: hopeful science.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Sheep but not sheeple by pukeko</title>
		<link>http://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2012/02/sheep-but-not-sheeple/#comment-7357</link>
		<dc:creator>pukeko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 05:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess you are referring to 
&lt;blockquote&gt;Romans 13
Submission to Governing Authorities
 1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

 6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Paul was writing this about the Romans. The &lt;i&gt;Lex Romanae&lt;/i&gt; was being destroyed by the Augustinian and Claudian emperors -- and after the year of four emperors Vespasian and Titus set up a military dictatorship, which remained the model for the remainder of the empire.   So Paul was writing about tyrants.

Now, this is not the classic puritan interpretation. The English Puritan, Lionel Gatford, argued the opposite in &quot;Meroz Cursed&quot;: he compared the current King (Charles I) with Sisera, and quoteed Judges 5:23

&lt;nlockquote&gt; ‘Curse Meroz,’ said the angel of the LORD.
   ‘Curse its people bitterly,
because they did not come to help the LORD,
   to help the LORD against the mighty.’ 

It seems that when the oppression of the rules reaches area of faith, we are to obey God and not the laws of a tyrant.  At this point we would be on the course fo a bloody civil war (the Parliamentary wars were brutal, as was the American Civil War).  I pray it does not come to that in my lifetime, my children&#039;s life time, to the 10th generation!&lt;/nlockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess you are referring to </p>
<blockquote><p>Romans 13<br />
Submission to Governing Authorities<br />
 1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.</p>
<p> 6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor. </p></blockquote>
<p>Paul was writing this about the Romans. The <i>Lex Romanae</i> was being destroyed by the Augustinian and Claudian emperors &#8212; and after the year of four emperors Vespasian and Titus set up a military dictatorship, which remained the model for the remainder of the empire.   So Paul was writing about tyrants.</p>
<p>Now, this is not the classic puritan interpretation. The English Puritan, Lionel Gatford, argued the opposite in &#8220;Meroz Cursed&#8221;: he compared the current King (Charles I) with Sisera, and quoteed Judges 5:23</p>
<p><nlockquote> ‘Curse Meroz,’ said the angel of the LORD.<br />
   ‘Curse its people bitterly,<br />
because they did not come to help the LORD,<br />
   to help the LORD against the mighty.’ </p>
<p>It seems that when the oppression of the rules reaches area of faith, we are to obey God and not the laws of a tyrant.  At this point we would be on the course fo a bloody civil war (the Parliamentary wars were brutal, as was the American Civil War).  I pray it does not come to that in my lifetime, my children&#8217;s life time, to the 10th generation!</nlockquote></p>
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		<title>Comment on Sheep but not sheeple by will</title>
		<link>http://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2012/02/sheep-but-not-sheeple/#comment-7356</link>
		<dc:creator>will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 03:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you think Romans 13 is applicable to tyrannical governments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think Romans 13 is applicable to tyrannical governments?</p>
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		<title>Comment on This is not your linkage. by Elspeth</title>
		<link>http://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2012/02/this-is-not-your-linkage/#comment-7351</link>
		<dc:creator>Elspeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your link to the guy who claims staying home is a disease is broken. Here is the actual link:

http://thecaptainpower.blogspot.com/2012/01/staying-home-is-disease.html

Against my better judgement, I commented :) .

&lt;strong&gt;Thanks, will correct, and I know about against my better judgement.... :-)&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your link to the guy who claims staying home is a disease is broken. Here is the actual link:</p>
<p><a href="http://thecaptainpower.blogspot.com/2012/01/staying-home-is-disease.html" rel="nofollow">http://thecaptainpower.blogspot.com/2012/01/staying-home-is-disease.html</a></p>
<p>Against my better judgement, I commented <img src='http://pukeko.net.nz/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  .</p>
<p><strong>Thanks, will correct, and I know about against my better judgement&#8230;. <img src='http://pukeko.net.nz/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </strong></p>
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		<title>Comment on This is not your linkage. by rajah roger</title>
		<link>http://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2012/02/this-is-not-your-linkage/#comment-7334</link>
		<dc:creator>rajah roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 13:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey pakeha, this is not your linkage, in terms of your blog, pukeko, it is not you. Where are you going? From me (an aussie atheist who never knows why he winds up reading your stuff), to you (a kiwi fundie), I ask why are you not sticking to your knitting?
regards Rajah

&lt;strong&gt;This started as a political blog and then became a lectionary blog. Occaisionally I divert. My place,my weird brain. So leave it be&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey pakeha, this is not your linkage, in terms of your blog, pukeko, it is not you. Where are you going? From me (an aussie atheist who never knows why he winds up reading your stuff), to you (a kiwi fundie), I ask why are you not sticking to your knitting?<br />
regards Rajah</p>
<p><strong>This started as a political blog and then became a lectionary blog. Occaisionally I divert. My place,my weird brain. So leave it be</strong></p>
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		<title>Comment on This is not your linkage. by Charles</title>
		<link>http://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2012/02/this-is-not-your-linkage/#comment-7332</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 10:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, it&#039;s scarier for someone living here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, it&#8217;s scarier for someone living here.</p>
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		<title>Comment on This is not your linkage. by Butterfly Flower</title>
		<link>http://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2012/02/this-is-not-your-linkage/#comment-7331</link>
		<dc:creator>Butterfly Flower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 09:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; (have a hero, a plot, a crisis, a resolution — like Shakespeare, Dryden, Goethe and Stan Lee did) &lt;/i&gt;

You mean Jack Kirby? Any good comic fan knows Jack Kirby was the brains behind Stan Lee. It&#039;s quite sad, actually. Even in his comic-book heyday, Kirby barely made enough money to support his family.

&lt;i&gt; If it is good, I’ll see it. &lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s how musicians make money these days [at least that&#039;s how it is here in America]. The album&#039;s concert-tour is more profitable than the album itself.

I don&#039;t mind this concept. I enjoy going to concerts [pop-concerts, not rock-concert bacchanalia frenzies]. When I was younger, my parents would let me go to concerts alone with my friends. It was a safe weekend activity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> (have a hero, a plot, a crisis, a resolution — like Shakespeare, Dryden, Goethe and Stan Lee did) </i></p>
<p>You mean Jack Kirby? Any good comic fan knows Jack Kirby was the brains behind Stan Lee. It&#8217;s quite sad, actually. Even in his comic-book heyday, Kirby barely made enough money to support his family.</p>
<p><i> If it is good, I’ll see it. </i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s how musicians make money these days [at least that's how it is here in America]. The album&#8217;s concert-tour is more profitable than the album itself.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mind this concept. I enjoy going to concerts [pop-concerts, not rock-concert bacchanalia frenzies]. When I was younger, my parents would let me go to concerts alone with my friends. It was a safe weekend activity.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Illness and Kirk. by Butterfly Flower</title>
		<link>http://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2012/02/illness-and-kirk/#comment-7329</link>
		<dc:creator>Butterfly Flower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 09:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goodness, I&#039;m so sorry! He&#039;s young, and has children :( He&#039;ll be in my prayers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goodness, I&#8217;m so sorry! He&#8217;s young, and has children <img src='http://pukeko.net.nz/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  He&#8217;ll be in my prayers.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Regaining honour for marraige? by will</title>
		<link>http://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2012/02/regaining-honour-for-marraige/#comment-7328</link>
		<dc:creator>will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 07:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if there is such a thing as marital rape. Because I heard on a christian radio show a woman talked about such a thing, turning on the waterworks and then getting sympathy from the radio host. I mean if marriage is rape why the hell did she marry him in the first place?

The guy she described sounded like a chauvanist pig as often portrayed by feminists therefore he has a right to ravish her and hence she is raped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if there is such a thing as marital rape. Because I heard on a christian radio show a woman talked about such a thing, turning on the waterworks and then getting sympathy from the radio host. I mean if marriage is rape why the hell did she marry him in the first place?</p>
<p>The guy she described sounded like a chauvanist pig as often portrayed by feminists therefore he has a right to ravish her and hence she is raped.</p>
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		<title>Comment on This is not your linkage. by Mark Slater</title>
		<link>http://pukeko.net.nz/blog/2012/02/this-is-not-your-linkage/#comment-7327</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Slater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 06:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...but he’s now held in jail on charges that are not in the my nations deportation treaty with the Yankees. (As Taki point’s out, Yankee derives from a Dutch word for Pirate)&quot;.

Gotta love Theodoracopolous (say it fast, it&#039;s fun).

The Golden Age of the internet is nearing sunset, it would seem.

I&#039;d also like to point out that my Confederate ancestors FOUGHT the Yankees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;but he’s now held in jail on charges that are not in the my nations deportation treaty with the Yankees. (As Taki point’s out, Yankee derives from a Dutch word for Pirate)&#8221;.</p>
<p>Gotta love Theodoracopolous (say it fast, it&#8217;s fun).</p>
<p>The Golden Age of the internet is nearing sunset, it would seem.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also like to point out that my Confederate ancestors FOUGHT the Yankees.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Illness and Kirk. by pukeko</title>
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		<dc:creator>pukeko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 05:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note to everyone... one son in law is mine, the other is not. I am not sure if I made that clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note to everyone&#8230; one son in law is mine, the other is not. I am not sure if I made that clear.</p>
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